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Poster: dark.starz Date: Sep 28, 2012 8:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Pono, Sonos & iPods my oh my!

Neil isn’t necessarily introducing any radical new technologies here, 24/192 high resolution digital music files have been commercially available for a few years now. What Neil is developing is a portable music player that can playback high resolution recordings at native sample rates of 192 kHz and 24 bit depth. Placing a 24 bit/192 kHz digital to analog convertor chip into a portable player is evolutionary, but not necessarily revolutionary.

What Neil is pioneering is the “Pono Music Service” featuring downloads of properly re-mastered music catalogs from companies such as Warner Bros, Columbia and Sony transferring the artists original master tapes to native 24/192 resolution so as to realize the full potential of the high resolution Pono player.

Young was quoted in the recent NY Times magazine article stating that he is working with a British manufacturer to come up with a portable player and the prototype displayed last evening on The Letterman Show industrial design looks like something from the mind of Allen Boothroyd one of the founding partners at Meridian along with Bob Stuart who coincidentally invented the Meridian Lossless Packing, or MLP, a lossless audio coding scheme using proprietary technology developed by Meridian Audio mandated for use in DVD-Audio and is a key component of Blu-ray.

Where Neil is succeeding over HDTracks is his obvious influence and connections to the major labels in the music industry and their partnership and support to offer up the master reels for proper 24/192 high resolution transfers. Onkyo is also releasing a Dolby TrueHD 5.1 surround high resolution music download service this year.

The good that will come from Pono;

Reference calibre digital music file musical performance.

Apple will now be forced to enter the high resolution music business.

Pono will increase market awareness about the importance of formatting digital music files at higher sampling and bit rates.

The mass market will now be able to hear and appreciate the major differences between mp3 and 24/192.

New revenue stream for artists, musicians and songwriters.

Hopefully, Rhino is also paying attention to this music service/product launch.

What we don’t know about Pono yet?

Cost of the portable player.

Cost of the high resolution 24/192 music downloads.

What form of digital music player will be required.

Compatibility with existing 24/192 digital music players.

Will you be able to load and playback existing lower resolution music files onto a Pono?

Stay Tuned!

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Poster: dyneq Date: Sep 30, 2012 3:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pono, Sonos & iPods my oh my!

Please read this article:

and then do an ABX test for yourself (see footnote #19 for links to the procedure). If you can tell the difference between 24/192 and 16/14.1, then you are a very unusual human being. I can not.

Full disclosure: I'm a huge NY fan, so this is not a rant on Neil. I know that he truly believes that it is the best thing to do and it's his right to go for it, but in my opinion, it is a misguided goal.

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Sep 29, 2012 8:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pono, Sonos & iPods my oh my!

Trail Grub says, "My shorts get dirty when I go out 'on patrol'. Rather than Photoshoping clean this image of my dirty shorts for you, I cleaned them up by doing my laundry instead. Who woulda thunk it? "

The Archive's village idiot in-Chief writes music review with common sense
Will Neil Young use Foxconn slave workers in China to make PONOs?

None of Apple's products are made in the USA. The problem is how they are made. Apple uses slave laborers living in Foxconn concentration camps to produce all of their devices. This is immoral! Other outfits using Foxconn's slave workers are HP, Dell, Microsoft, Sony, Nokia, IBM, and many more. This is immoral! To ignore this, and let this "go down", is immoral! I am ashamed to be seen in public using an iPhone! You won't see me doing that, but I'm trying like heck to have this rational discussion.

Has Neil mentioned anything about hosting PONO music files? The bandwidth required and the file-size difference between MP3 and 24-bit / 192-kHz is enormous. Let's examine my recently reworked and upgraded tapes for June 10, 1973 to see this data. For MP3 files of this show, the VBR Zip file is 370 MB. For 16 / 44 files of this show, the total size is 1.565 GB. For 24 / 96 files of this show, the total size is 6.292 GB. I'll venture a guess: for 24 / 192 files of this show, the total size will be doubled to 12.584 GB. Why does file size matter?

Power, Pollution and the Internet: Data Centers & The Cloud Factories - published several days ago in the NY Times.

A yearlong examination by The New York Times has revealed that this foundation of the information industry is sharply at odds with its image of sleek efficiency and environmental friendliness. Most data centers, by design, consume vast amounts of energy in an incongruously wasteful manner, interviews and documents show. Online companies typically run their facilities at maximum capacity around the clock, whatever the demand. As a result, data centers can waste 90 percent or more of the electricity they pull off the grid, The Times found.

Worldwide, the digital warehouses use about 30 billion watts of electricity, roughly equivalent to the output of 30 nuclear power plants, according to estimates industry experts compiled for The Times. Data centers in the United States account for one-quarter to one-third of that load, the estimates show.

“It’s staggering for most people, even people in the industry, to understand the numbers, the sheer size of these systems,” said Peter Gross, who helped design hundreds of data centers. “A single data center can take more power than a medium-size town.”

Energy efficiency varies widely from company to company. But at the request of The Times, the consulting firm McKinsey & Company analyzed energy use by data centers and found that, on average, they were using only 6 percent to 12 percent of the electricity powering their servers to perform computations. The rest was essentially used to keep servers idling and ready in case of a surge in activity that could slow or crash their operations.

“It’s a waste,” said Dennis P. Symanski, a senior researcher at the Electric Power Research Institute, a nonprofit industry group. “It’s too many insurance policies.”

Neil, wasting precious resources like this — on this scale — is immoral, especially when most of these devices are made by slaves living in concentration camps! Have you considered these factors, and are you discussing them? Not to mention, we have a severe and growing Earth problem called global warming and climate change. This stuff affects all of our lives, especially our kids and their kids. Blow Me!

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Poster: Deadhead225 Date: Sep 29, 2012 10:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pono, Sonos & iPods my oh my!

The problem is that the way the grid works, it can not anticipate future demand enough to be dependable at variable levels of output. It can not be powered up in a hurry. The same is true with server farms. Both have to operate at consistent output levels so that demand can be met when it arises. The only way that peak demand can be met is by producing at those levels when the demand is not there. Totally inefficient but until that is resolved, you may as well use all the electricity being generated b/c the pollution is getting produced regardless of whether energy is used by the consumer or not.

To me the best solution for this is to encourage the 24 Hr. society where we use the infrastructure more consistently 24 Hrs a day instead of building more. Just get more people to use it at night/non-peak hours. Hell, the lights are on anyway. Cuts down on crime, waste traffic etc. Anyone in the city knows they'd rather commute at 12 a.m. Any cop knows that most of the crime occurs during these hours as well. More people around = less crime.

With the level of energy production we are now capable of in the US it won't be long before we return to being a Manuf. nation as we will have the cheapest combined energy and labor cost on the planet ($3 nat gas v. $12 in China). USA is a happy prosperous place when we are working with our hands AND minds. Soon as we stick somebody with all this debt we'll be on the road again.

Mother Nature will reduce the population soon enough by some method eventually, so not to worry.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Sep 29, 2012 7:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pono, Sonos & iPods my oh my!

"Has Neil mentioned anything about hosting PONO music files?"

Well, candidly speaking, what we actually know so far regarding the architecture of the Pono is pure speculation other than the physical appearance of the prototype. I believe that Neil understands the technology but he sure ain't given anything away so far. I mean for all we know this technology could be 192kHz, 32 bit audio.

My understanding is that FLAC cannot be supported for playback in portable audio devices and i would suspect that there are engineers working on a new algorithm that would offer a similar level of compression (50%) when compared to FLAC without effecting the linearity when decompressed.

Monte, if memory serves me well there are 300 days of sunshine on the front range in Colorado, perhaps you should consider going 100% solar.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 29, 2012 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pono, Sonos & iPods my oh my!

“Where Neil is succeeding over HDTracks is his obvious influence and connections to the major labels in the music industry and their partnership and support to offer up the master reels for proper 24/192 high resolution transfers. Onkyo is also releasing a Dolby TrueHD 5.1 surround high resolution music download service this year.”

Well, that's partially true. But, in reading Neil's book I found that he funded much of this himself, as with many of his projects. Had he not done so, there would be no Pono.

His book is an excellent read so far. I highly recommend it. I love the conversational manner in which it's written. So much is packed into book.